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NancyFX’s creator joined the whining team of Jeremy D. Miller that “Microsoft makes open source too hard for .NET” 🙄

NancyFX and FubuMVC both fall squarely into analogs “Ruby FLOSS is terrible because no one will take my Rails alternative seriously” and “Python FLOSS is broken because Django and Flask keep implementing my best ideas” 🤪 Especially now that ASP.NET Core is FLOSS

We get it, no one wants to use your also-ran. That happens in every FLOSS ecosystem.

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@max I feel so out of the loop... What is FLOSS? What do you mean by "also-ran"?

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@doolbneerg Free/Libre/Open Source Software. The complaints are that Open Source is “broken” in .NET as a community model because Microsoft keeps EEEing people’s projects or at least King Kong style smashing on the little people.

But the biggest complainer is someone who built an MVC framework because he didn’t like ASP.NET and he was just shocked/upset no one wanted to use a “third place” web framework.

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@doolbneerg Monday’s article I read that a new voice has joined the complaints and it’s the developer of the “second place” web framework complaining now that (also FLOSS now) ASP.NET MVC stepped on their toes and does everything they did, but now better. (Which, tbf, and throw more shade on the fire they heavily borrowed from Rails also-ran Sinatra over in Ruby land, they should have known they were destined for second place land.)

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@doolbneerg There are some valid points about that failed acquihire of AppGet and some weird orthogonal complaints that C# isn’t cool anymore and going a “bad direction”, but beyond that so much of the complaints are “my web framework didn’t beat the incumbent because it couldn’t” and in any other language it would be laughable to claim that FLOSS doesn’t work as a dev model in that language just because developers don’t (want to) use alternative web frameworks.

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@doolbneerg That is, way more people using Rails rather than Sinatra has never meant that open source is terrible in Ruby land, but open source ASP.NET Core replacing pretty much any need for Nancy somehow means the .NET open source sky is falling! It’s just 🤦

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@max Thanks! Yeah it seems like an average developer will want to go to a language/platform that has the needed features and clear support. Unfortunately for OSS, that often means a big business driving it.

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@doolbneerg It’s also a scratch your own itch versus your particular itch is an odd niche problem. A lot of OSS is “passion” driven which leads to burnout problems and weird focuses. It’s easy to believe there is no room for “real” OSS when the open source you are passionate for has no users versus the open source that people need has only paid developers because paid labor can do things passion can’t.

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@doolbneerg There’s also a tale of convergent evolution here. Nancy is no longer that useful not because Microsoft decided to “crush” a competitor project, but simply because when you try to solve similar problems with similar tools it should be no surprise you find similar solutions.

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